Talk:Ontario Tax Staple

Notes From June 10 2012 Caucus Meeting

• Taxes - Front and Back

Relevant Notes from Jim's Implementation Strategy

• Eliminate Corporate Welfare
• Including subsidies to political parties, grants to cultural organizations, conference centres, sports arenas.
• [How much does Ontario spend on corporate welfare and grants?]
• Sweden reduced rates during the financial crisis and in 2011 had the fastest growth in Europe and was able to eliminate its deficit. (http://www.fcpp.org/publication.php/4208)

Relevant Notes from GJ's E-mail to OLP Yahoo Groups

Was there anything in GJ's e-mail, w.r.t. Taxes?--Jeffrey McLarty 09:46, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

No, my email dealt mainly with a generic impression / recommendation on how far we should push things in public, with a strong emphasis on incremental change. I've now thrown some thoughts on the wiki along that same strategy (to be picked apart at leisure by everyone). --Gjhagenaars 11:05, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

Lots to Do

Neal needs to learn where to contribute and to discuss issues in this wiki experience. Do we pull my contributions from the prep section and place them here in the discussion section?--Neal 11:44, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

Background

Here's a list of taxes in Ontario:

   Beer and Wine Tax
   Corporations Tax
       Capital Tax
       Corporate Income Tax
       Corporate Minimum Tax
       Insurance Premium Tax
   Debt Retirement Charge
   Disputing Assessments or Disallowances
   Employer Health Tax
   Estate Administration Tax (Ministry of the Attorney General)
   Fuel Tax
   Gasoline Tax
   Goods and Services Tax (Canada Revenue Agency)
   Gross Revenue Charge
   Harmonized Sales Tax
   Hydro Payments in Lieu of Federal and Provincial Corporations Tax
   International Fuel Tax Agreement
   International Registration Plan
   Land Transfer Tax
   Mining Tax
   Ontario Health Premium
   Payments in Lieu of Additional Municipal and School Taxes
   Personal Income Tax
   Personal Vehicle Tax (City of Toronto)
   Provincial Land Tax
   Provincial Sales Tax
   Race Tracks Tax
   Retail Sales Tax
   Succession Duty
   Tax for Fuel Conservation
   Taxes and Tax Refunds for Visitors
   Tobacco Tax

Source

Fuel tax / gasoline tax is the closest thing we have to a user-fee model in this province to pay for public roads. Are there other examples of taxes / fees like this? The tax-on-tax (HST on fuel tax) is something that should be removed (and if we argue for user-pay/user-fee models, we should note that too). --Gjhagenaars 11:12, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

How about municipal taxes? The province rules the municipalities. --Gjhagenaars 11:12, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

Might be too low level, but could be interesting if we could find a municipality that is currently hand-cuffed because of provincial legislation. This might be an angle, to get our first person elected, if it was a big enough issue, in a municipality that covered a riding.--Jeffrey McLarty 11:15, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

I don't know how we use this, but here is a List_of_tax_forms_at_the_CRA - pretty rediculous.

And, the CRA annual report to parliament, gives us lots of fodder. here: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/gncy/nnnl/2010-2011/prfrmnc-e/rc4425-11-eng.pdf

40,200 (2010-2011) full time equivalent employees, and they spent $4.4B (2010-2011) to collect ~$240B (2009) source:http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/govt02a-eng.htm There are 33.M Canadians, and 14.6M private dwellings. source: http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/hlt-fst/pd-pl/Table-Tableau.cfm?LANG=Eng&T=101&S=50&O=A

• 1.8% of your tax dollars, goes to collecting tax dollars.
• Average CRA employee is making $110K.
• $301.60 = the amount each household pays, just to facilitate the collection of taxes.
• $16.5K/yr = average household tax bill. Excluding-property tax.

--Jeffrey McLarty 11:29, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

The government is in debt and needs more taxes from you. Are you willing to give 50% of your income and 50% of your spending to your government?--Neal 12:01, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

What are Ontario tax rates? Here is a potential source to find an answer. http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/rates/index.html --Neal 12:06, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

If by some freak of voters choice and our Ontario Libertarian Party won an election and we had to create, produce and present our own "Budget" for approval; How would ours be different from this one? http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/budget/ontariobudgets/2011/ch2h.html#c2_secH_table24 --Neal 12:17, 12 June 2012 (EDT)