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Looking at our [http://ontariolibertarian.ca/content/statement-ultimate-goals-and-principles|Statement of Principles], it is hard to see how it orders Libertarians to act differently than anyone else. It would appear that the only rule for individuals is item 3. "In order that these rights be respected, it is essential that no individual or group initiate the use of force or fraud against any other." Everything else is about the conduct and responsibilities of government(s). As Libertarians, we should never claim that government has any other responsibilities than those outlined in our SoP; national defense, police, and courts. Accepting subsidies or welfare (or a paycheque) from government does not involve initiation of force. Collecting the taxes ''does'' involve the initiation of force (or the threat). Given it is impossible to charge tax collectors with robbery or theft or extortion, then it is not possible to consider recipients of government largess as being in possession of stolen property. The fact that this would be the reverse in a Libertarian Society is somewhat academic and philosophical. In a Libertarian society, would we even need political parties? | Looking at our [http://ontariolibertarian.ca/content/statement-ultimate-goals-and-principles|Statement of Principles], it is hard to see how it orders Libertarians to act differently than anyone else. It would appear that the only rule for individuals is item 3. "In order that these rights be respected, it is essential that no individual or group initiate the use of force or fraud against any other." Everything else is about the conduct and responsibilities of government(s). As Libertarians, we should never claim that government has any other responsibilities than those outlined in our SoP; national defense, police, and courts. Accepting subsidies or welfare (or a paycheque) from government does not involve initiation of force. Collecting the taxes ''does'' involve the initiation of force (or the threat). Given it is impossible to charge tax collectors with robbery or theft or extortion, then it is not possible to consider recipients of government largess as being in possession of stolen property. The fact that this would be the reverse in a Libertarian Society is somewhat academic and philosophical. In a Libertarian society, would we even need political parties? | ||
--[[User:LibertarianCFO|Jim McIntosh]] 21:57, 5 February 2013 (EST) | --[[User:LibertarianCFO|Jim McIntosh]] 21:57, 5 February 2013 (EST) | ||
The Party already has a way of dealing with these situations. It's the Ethics Committee. Any member can refer any other member or situation to the Ethics Committee if they feel that the person has acted contrary to the Statement of Principles or has otherwise harmed the Party. This policy is pointless, and feels to me more like an attempt to force everybody in to becoming perfect political robots by force. --[[User:MattBelanger|MattBelanger]] | |||
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Looking at our of Principles, it is hard to see how it orders Libertarians to act differently than anyone else. It would appear that the only rule for individuals is item 3. "In order that these rights be respected, it is essential that no individual or group initiate the use of force or fraud against any other." Everything else is about the conduct and responsibilities of government(s). As Libertarians, we should never claim that government has any other responsibilities than those outlined in our SoP; national defense, police, and courts. Accepting subsidies or welfare (or a paycheque) from government does not involve initiation of force. Collecting the taxes does involve the initiation of force (or the threat). Given it is impossible to charge tax collectors with robbery or theft or extortion, then it is not possible to consider recipients of government largess as being in possession of stolen property. The fact that this would be the reverse in a Libertarian Society is somewhat academic and philosophical. In a Libertarian society, would we even need political parties? --Jim McIntosh 21:57, 5 February 2013 (EST)
The Party already has a way of dealing with these situations. It's the Ethics Committee. Any member can refer any other member or situation to the Ethics Committee if they feel that the person has acted contrary to the Statement of Principles or has otherwise harmed the Party. This policy is pointless, and feels to me more like an attempt to force everybody in to becoming perfect political robots by force. --MattBelanger